Anyone familiar with the infamous deed of the original Stauffenberg realizes also that this new pretender belongs in Opposition.

I will play Stauffenberg to you wannabee Hitlers.

Regarding Todd, perhaps you could explain to us what's so "dysfunctional" about man who gave up hours of his own time, unpaid, to roll and distribute 1,200 TAAs in one day. :box:

You want to associate your organization with someone like this?

Todd Vanbiber

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=840

Authorities caught Todd Vanbiber just in time. In April 1997, Vanbiber, a member of the neo-Nazi National Alliance, was planning to detonate 14 pipe bombs on major routes in Orlando, Fla. The explosives were designed to divert attention from two bank robberies Vanbiber and his comrades were planning in Orlando.

But as Vanbiber was tinkering in his storage shed with the bombs, one exploded in his face. When police responded, Vanbiber was arrested on explosive charges.
Vanbiber initially claimed the bomb-making was merely a hobby, but he later pleaded guilty. Sentenced to more than 60 years, Vanbiber drastically reduced his prison time by testifying against his accomplices, including another National Alliance member, Brian Donald Pickett, a security guard who'd committed robberies with Vanbiber before.

And this merely scratches the surface of his activism. It makes his past irrelevant. People like Todd and Rounder are warriors, not worriers.

I clearly remember. Glenn Miller declared war on the federal government and vowed to go down in a blaze of gunfire back in the 1980s, but then surrendered piss drunk in a trailer full of automatic weapons and cut a deal at the expense of his comrades to save his own sorry white ass. He is obviously a hero to us all.

The jewsmedia publishes many reports of those who were disgusted.

Which are probably true.

However, did it occur to you that those who agreed with it may not have wanted to appear on T.V. because they fear sanctions of some sort, like a brick through the window, or their kids getting bullied in school, or perhaps getting fired from their job over some "pretext"?

I don't see what is stopping them from makings posts on this forum under anonymous names.

Even if more people find it disgusting, is that sufficient reason to stop doing it?

If you can put your capital to better use by supporting other mediums that are more convincing, then that is a sufficient reason not to invest in TAA, as you would be earning a higher return on your investment.

Mormon missionaries may only get one convert per 100 people contacted, but it doesn't stop them either.

That you have distributed tens of thousands of TAAs and all you have to show for this is six members posting on an online forum should give you a reason to pause. This is assuming, of course, that those who are distributing TAA and taking your money sincerely want the project to succeed. If so, then they would reconsider their methods and make an effort to improve upon them, as would any rational businessman.

We've become race-wise and Jew-wise, but we believe we can't just sit on it, but also have an obligation to awaken others.

I don't disagree with your sentiments. I would just like to see you putting them to better use.

Francis Playfair is to be commended for having helped awaken 215 people, but can he be sure they're the type of people he would want in Stormfront either? Of course not. Let's judge both VNN and Stormfront by the same standards.

I am sure Lord Playfair would be able to give us the usernames of some of the Stormfront posters who registered because of his activism. We could then evaluate their posts and try to see whether or not they are of sound character.

Our way is just as valid as Playfair's way.

If that were the case, then TAA would be as effective as Playfair's activism. It obviously isn't if those who support this medium have made television and radio appearances in addition to distributing tens of thousands of TAA and have so little to show for it.

You want to associate your organization with someone like this?

Todd Vanbiber

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=840

Authorities caught Todd Vanbiber just in time. In April 1997, Vanbiber, a member of the neo-Nazi National Alliance, was planning to detonate 14 pipe bombs on major routes in Orlando, Fla. The explosives were designed to divert attention from two bank robberies Vanbiber and his comrades were planning in Orlando.

But as Vanbiber was tinkering in his storage shed with the bombs, one exploded in his face. When police responded, Vanbiber was arrested on explosive charges.
Vanbiber initially claimed the bomb-making was merely a hobby, but he later pleaded guilty. Sentenced to more than 60 years, Vanbiber drastically reduced his prison time by testifying against his accomplices, including another National Alliance member, Brian Donald Pickett, a security guard who'd committed robberies with Vanbiber before.

I clearly remember. Glenn Miller declared war on the federal government and vowed to go down in a blaze of gunfire back in the 1980s, but then surrendered piss drunk in a trailer full of automatic weapons and cut a deal at the expense of his comrades to save his own sorry white ass. He is obviously a hero to us all.

Which are probably true.

I don't see what is stopping them from makings posts on this forum under anonymous names.

If you can put your capital to better use by supporting other mediums that are more convincing, then that is a sufficient reason not to invest in TAA, as you would be earning a higher return on your investment.

That you have distributed tens of thousands of TAAs and all you have to show for this is six members posting on an online forum should give you a reason to pause. This is assuming, of course, that those who are distributing TAA and taking your money sincerely want the project to succeed. If so, then they would reconsider their methods and make an effort to improve upon them, as would any rational businessman.

I don't disagree with your sentiments. I would just like to see you putting them to better use.

I am sure Lord Playfair would be able to give us the usernames of some of the Stormfront posters who registered because of his activism. We could then evaluate their posts and try to see whether or not they are of sound character.

If that were the case, then TAA would be as effective as Playfair's activism. It obviously isn't if those who support this medium have made television and radio appearances in addition to distributing tens of thousands of TAA and have so little to show for it.

That dude's face looks like he just came back from hunting with dick cheney.

Hey, Stauffenberg: have you ever been banned from VNN Forum under another screenname?

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Instead of paying for the paper, we could collect money to buy tv time for Rounder to discuss the jew. Except they wouldn't sell us the time, and the paper gets Rounder on TV anyway. The latest drew a lot more than six responses. The paper is one medium, that's all. It's good to have physical presence. It's good to let people see that not everybody thinks the same way. It's good for them to know that we came by and left them a good, free paper in their driveway. People like papers, and good papers are hard to find. The "shocked, shocked" crowd isn't as horrified as it lets on.

Have we got anybody here who will take responsibility for distributing TAA#4 at Northwestern?

Todd acts. That is unusual these days.

Wasn't Stauffenberg a bomber himself - in the most cowardly, half-assed sort of way?

The crowd that thinks its declasse to do something is part of the problem, not the solution. Endless hand-wringing over labels; endless sophistication of simple problems requiring ever more palaver - these are all conservatives have to offer.

There is not a single thing complex about the problems facing the White West. The jews control our foreign policy; the jews control our domestic policy. The jews are bent on our genocide. We must organize to conquer the jews.

Todd acts. That is unusual these days.

Wasn't Stauffenberg a bomber himself - in the most cowardly, half-assed sort of way?

Eyup, Claus von Stauffenberg placed a bomb inside a briefcase, packed with explosives and a timer, near Hitler in his briefing room at the military high command, Wolfsschanze (Wolf's Lair) near Rastenburg, East Prussia.

Then the fuck ran away. Jews always trumpet this asshole as if he's some sort of hero.

To be fair, activism that gets people to post on forums is utterly useless save for the fact that their time spent on the forum might help educate them over a long period of time.

While there are a few clear problems with the TAA, it's production quality is top of the line- it is only a matter of content. I read over that last issue that Rounder sent me, and the strengths are obvious, and the weaknesses easily identifiable for the purpose of rectification. First of all, the whole 600,000,000 White men article. Anyone with even 2 minutes of critical thinking training could shoot those calculations down in a second. That may not seem so important to some but those that know me know how sick I am of listening to the other side claim that anything they deem to be "racist", "sexist", or "homophobic" cannot be right on an academic level. They will always try to claim that we twist science to preconceived notions(which is precisely what they do). Thus horribly bad statistical work gives them plenty of ammo with which they can attack our credibility.

Also, I never saw Fargo but a friend of mine didn't find it to be particularly anti-white at all. More importantly, that movie is from either 1993 or '94. People expect movie reviews to be current. VNN in the past has never had any trouble keeping up with current movies.

Todd acts. That is unusual these days.

You think it is a good idea to associate your organization with terrorists and government informants?

Wasn't Stauffenberg a bomber himself - in the most cowardly, half-assed sort of way?

The username is symbolic. I pointed this out above.

You think it is a good idea to associate your organization with terrorists and government informants?

The username is symbolic. I pointed this out above.

Given that VNN is a forum and not an organization, I don't see how it matters. Like it or not, ALL of White Nationalism is associated with "criminals" for all practical purposes. How many WNs, on EVERY forum, use the number 14? Who came up with that? You may have a valid argument in dealing with those issues but it is unfair to single out one forum, particularly if in doing so the forum is misrepresented as some kind of organization.

The crowd that thinks its declasse to do something is part of the problem, not the solution.

The crowd that thinks doing something is a great idea irrespective of any consideration of whether or not that something is either effective or counterproductive is irrational and their efforts are doomed to failure.

Endless hand-wringing over labels]

The solution you have proposed, if I recall correctly, is to name the Jew. TAA is thus a vehicle designed to facilitate this goal. What happens if you name the Jew and no one cares? What sense does it make to rant and rave to people that Jews are destroying their race when they don't care about their race? What sense does it make to point out that Jews produce kitsch popular films if people enjoy those films?

There is not a single thing complex about the problems facing the White West.

I agree.

The jews control our foreign policy; the jews control our domestic policy.

Where did you get this idea?

The jews are bent on our genocide. We must organize to conquer the jews.

There are definitely some Jews who are of that point of view. I don't find Jewish influence in our society generally desirable. I'm not buying into the notion though that this is all one huge Jewish conspiracy.

You think it is a good idea to associate your organization with terrorists and government informants?

The username is symbolic. I pointed this out above.

This person smells a lot like "Fade The Butcher". The "Stauffenberg" alias is significant because Fade especially hates Hitler.

You want to associate your organization with someone like this?

Todd Vanbiber

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=840

Authorities caught Todd Vanbiber just in time. In April 1997, Vanbiber, a member of the neo-Nazi National Alliance, was planning to detonate 14 pipe bombs on major routes in Orlando, Fla. The explosives were designed to divert attention from two bank robberies Vanbiber and his comrades were planning in Orlando.

But as Vanbiber was tinkering in his storage shed with the bombs, one exploded in his face. When police responded, Vanbiber was arrested on explosive charges.
Vanbiber initially claimed the bomb-making was merely a hobby, but he later pleaded guilty. Sentenced to more than 60 years, Vanbiber drastically reduced his prison time by testifying against his accomplices, including another National Alliance member, Brian Donald Pickett, a security guard who'd committed robberies with Vanbiber before.

I clearly remember. Glenn Miller declared war on the federal government and vowed to go down in a blaze of gunfire back in the 1980s, but then surrendered piss drunk in a trailer full of automatic weapons and cut a deal at the expense of his comrades to save his own sorry white ass. He is obviously a hero to us all.

Rounder and Todd satisfied their obligation to the state. They paid their price. By all accounts, they have been law-abiding ever since. Furthermore, until someone produces objective, verifiable evidence that they are current informers, I will not accept the notion that they're informers. Period!

If you can put your capital to better use by supporting other mediums that are more convincing, then that is a sufficient reason not to invest in TAA, as you would be earning a higher return on your investment.

This is economically correct. However, our people distribute TAA out of commitment rather than compensation. The satisfaction of achieving a higher goal is considered satisfactory compensation at this time.

That you have distributed tens of thousands of TAAs and all you have to show for this is six members posting on an online forum should give you a reason to pause. This is assuming, of course, that those who are distributing TAA and taking your money sincerely want the project to succeed. If so, then they would reconsider their methods and make an effort to improve upon them, as would any rational businessman.

While only six people has specifically cited TAA as the reason they're here, this does not imply that more weren't initially attracted by TAA, but cited another reason for signing up. Of course, we have no way of quantifying this yet. We also don't use Stormfront's Referral ID system. Perhaps that's a future modification we can make.

I am sure Lord Playfair would be able to give us the usernames of some of the Stormfront posters who registered because of his activism. We could then evaluate their posts and try to see whether or not they are of sound character.

I'm not sure we need to be concerned about this - this sounds like an internal Stormfront matter. We're too busy with all of our projects to be policing Stormfront's membership. Of course I have to admit that sometimes in our posts about Stormfront, we make it appear as if we are, though. One thing Stormfront could do to lower the temperature between us is to revamp that moderation system. We understand why they do it, but doggone it, when you're on moderation, it's damned frustrating to wait 2 hours or even 2 days for your posts to appear. Also, if a post is rejected, a PM from a mod to the poster explaining the rejection would be in order.

If that were the case, then TAA would be as effective as Playfair's activism. It obviously isn't if those who support this medium have made television and radio appearances in addition to distributing tens of thousands of TAA and have so little to show for it.

Sounds like a my activism vs. your activism pissing contest. Playfair has recruited 215 people, but has not to my knowledge made any radio or T.V. appearances. Rounder has made numerous electronic media appearances, which reach a whole swatch of people at once. It's logical to assume some people got "awakened" that way. Then perhaps antis heard Rounder and got so pissed off they registered here to give us a piece of their mind. Fine, but they're being exposed, and it could change their minds in the future. We're planting seeds.

In your approach, you don't want to spend time on the "hopeless" because you think it a waste of resources. In our approach, nobody's hopeless until they prove themselves to be. I suggest this best describes the differences between us. Nonetheless, I respect the time and effort you put into organizing and posting your thoughts here.

This person smells a lot like "Fade The Butcher". The "Stauffenberg" alias is significant because Fade especially hates Hitler.

Possible, but Fade tends to be a bit more sarcastic (although nowhere close to Intrepid's level). Stauffenberg smells like a Stormfronter to me.